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	<title>Comments on: Tales of a Sir Thanel the Newb:  Getting involved in the online community</title>
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		<title>By: Thanel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thanel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, most of these things don&#039;t apply to most people, but I think most new or prospective users would find at least one of these useful. And though there is mention of the 13 and under crowd, this is primarily aimed at adults, and I&#039;ve seen plenty of adults embarrass themselves by not doing these things, including me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, most of these things don&#8217;t apply to most people, but I think most new or prospective users would find at least one of these useful. And though there is mention of the 13 and under crowd, this is primarily aimed at adults, and I&#8217;ve seen plenty of adults embarrass themselves by not doing these things, including me.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JD hit on what I was trying to say.  I know all too well that common sense is anything but.  My point was that anyone thoughtful and mature enough to read the entire post is likely going to be the type to act in a responsible manner online already, and those who act like idiots online are going to be the type to pass it off with a &quot;tl;dr.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD hit on what I was trying to say.  I know all too well that common sense is anything but.  My point was that anyone thoughtful and mature enough to read the entire post is likely going to be the type to act in a responsible manner online already, and those who act like idiots online are going to be the type to pass it off with a &#8220;tl;dr.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JD_Luse</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD_Luse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But even if there IS a silent majority, would the younger kids in that majority take the time to read - or even comprehend - all this text? If I were eleven years old, the first thing I would look for would be little wordage and a cool creation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But even if there IS a silent majority, would the younger kids in that majority take the time to read &#8211; or even comprehend &#8211; all this text? If I were eleven years old, the first thing I would look for would be little wordage and a cool creation.</p>
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		<title>By: Thanel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thanel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too much to chew on to respond one by one, but a few general comments. 

I&#039;m not quite sure how common common sense is. Consider potty training. As adults we think how we use a toilet and clean up after ourselves is common sense, the most basic of instincts. But anyone who has traveled, potty trained a child or had the dubious privilege of finding out how other people take a dump knows that it mostly has to do with socialization. Not saying the analogy is perfect, but I think saying something is &quot;common sense&quot; is a bit of a cop out and often used as an excuse to dismiss other people exceptionally idiotic, rather than being socialized in ways that are obnoxious to most people within that specific context. 

I agree that most TBB commenters are an exceptionally mature bunch, but I would direct your attention to the anniversary post, which subtly points out that readers outnumber commenters by over 1,000 to 1. This is aimed at the &quot;silent majority&quot; to steal a phrase from Dick Nixon.

As far as 13 and under. It&#039;s the law in the US. What I can say, is that most 11 and 12 year olds who have foolishly revealed their age online, my reaction is to suddenly understand their previous behavior. I don&#039;t even notice the mature youngsters, because they don&#039;t cry out their age and they behave well.

@ anon4527: I agree there&#039;s a subtle difference, but I&#039;m not sure what you mean by the comment. Techniques belong to everyone? I&#039;d say that any time someone has inspired you with a theme or a very specific technique, and you know what you&#039;re doing is derivative, it&#039;s the right thing to do to give some sort of props. That being said, I thinks it&#039;s silly when people try to protect a technique as theirs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too much to chew on to respond one by one, but a few general comments. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not quite sure how common common sense is. Consider potty training. As adults we think how we use a toilet and clean up after ourselves is common sense, the most basic of instincts. But anyone who has traveled, potty trained a child or had the dubious privilege of finding out how other people take a dump knows that it mostly has to do with socialization. Not saying the analogy is perfect, but I think saying something is &#8220;common sense&#8221; is a bit of a cop out and often used as an excuse to dismiss other people exceptionally idiotic, rather than being socialized in ways that are obnoxious to most people within that specific context. </p>
<p>I agree that most TBB commenters are an exceptionally mature bunch, but I would direct your attention to the anniversary post, which subtly points out that readers outnumber commenters by over 1,000 to 1. This is aimed at the &#8220;silent majority&#8221; to steal a phrase from Dick Nixon.</p>
<p>As far as 13 and under. It&#8217;s the law in the US. What I can say, is that most 11 and 12 year olds who have foolishly revealed their age online, my reaction is to suddenly understand their previous behavior. I don&#8217;t even notice the mature youngsters, because they don&#8217;t cry out their age and they behave well.</p>
<p>@ anon4527: I agree there&#8217;s a subtle difference, but I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by the comment. Techniques belong to everyone? I&#8217;d say that any time someone has inspired you with a theme or a very specific technique, and you know what you&#8217;re doing is derivative, it&#8217;s the right thing to do to give some sort of props. That being said, I thinks it&#8217;s silly when people try to protect a technique as theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: anon4527</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon4527</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rule 11 should give distinction between giving credit for photography help and LEGO &quot;techniques&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rule 11 should give distinction between giving credit for photography help and LEGO &#8220;techniques&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Clefspeare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clefspeare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article. I can totally relate to most of this, being rather new to the online community, and recently coming out of a dark age.

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Thanel:
Kids, don’t use your entire real names as your screen names. Don’t give your age or birthday. Don’t offer to give adults your address. Don’t post all that information on your profile for everyone to see. Very, very bad ideas.
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This is a really bad problem on MOCpages. There are kids that give every bit of information about themselves, everything from height, weight, hair color, E-mail address, location, and even blood type!

Not that any of those newbs are actually gonna pay attention to this article...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I can totally relate to most of this, being rather new to the online community, and recently coming out of a dark age.</p>
<p>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />
Thanel:<br />
Kids, don’t use your entire real names as your screen names. Don’t give your age or birthday. Don’t offer to give adults your address. Don’t post all that information on your profile for everyone to see. Very, very bad ideas.<br />
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This is a really bad problem on MOCpages. There are kids that give every bit of information about themselves, everything from height, weight, hair color, E-mail address, location, and even blood type!</p>
<p>Not that any of those newbs are actually gonna pay attention to this article&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: eti</title>
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		<dc:creator>eti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s some good advice here - but maybe not for &#039;us&#039;, indeed: I remember a Flickr friend saying &#039;Lego doesn&#039;t make that kind of sets over here&#039; about a MOC of mine, but he was not an AFOL and didn&#039;t know there was anything like MOCs at all (I happily explained, of course).

There&#039;s a few points in the article I can&#039;t really agree with. I do not object to children having accounts on Flickr, Youtube, etcetera - it is actually harmful to keep those communies away from children or vice versa. They will go there in secret and do stuff without their parents knowing. Now that&#039;s scary.

And when it comes to Lego, it&#039;s a good thing to not block minors completely out of AFOL communities. Even worse is places that don&#039;t want people under 18 to join. That is just to make sure everybody is in their dark ages before they even started. But of course kids should be expected to behave as adults on sites that are actually for grown-ups.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s some good advice here &#8211; but maybe not for &#8216;us&#8217;, indeed: I remember a Flickr friend saying &#8216;Lego doesn&#8217;t make that kind of sets over here&#8217; about a MOC of mine, but he was not an AFOL and didn&#8217;t know there was anything like MOCs at all (I happily explained, of course).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a few points in the article I can&#8217;t really agree with. I do not object to children having accounts on Flickr, Youtube, etcetera &#8211; it is actually harmful to keep those communies away from children or vice versa. They will go there in secret and do stuff without their parents knowing. Now that&#8217;s scary.</p>
<p>And when it comes to Lego, it&#8217;s a good thing to not block minors completely out of AFOL communities. Even worse is places that don&#8217;t want people under 18 to join. That is just to make sure everybody is in their dark ages before they even started. But of course kids should be expected to behave as adults on sites that are actually for grown-ups.</p>
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		<title>By: alldarker</title>
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		<dc:creator>alldarker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent tips, although I&#039;d have to agree with Shannon Young here: I&#039;d say the members of Brother-Brick might be some of the most mature and adult members of any of the Lego communities, so the irony is that you really are preaching to the converted here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent tips, although I&#8217;d have to agree with Shannon Young here: I&#8217;d say the members of Brother-Brick might be some of the most mature and adult members of any of the Lego communities, so the irony is that you really are preaching to the converted here.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Commonsense tips most reasonable adults would probably follow instinctively anyway.  Unfortunately, my feeling is that those who would most benefit from this post would also be those least likely to read it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commonsense tips most reasonable adults would probably follow instinctively anyway.  Unfortunately, my feeling is that those who would most benefit from this post would also be those least likely to read it.</p>
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		<title>By: notenoughbricks</title>
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		<dc:creator>notenoughbricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent guidelines Sir Thanel. Many good points expounded on by yourself. I compared my experience with what you described and thougt that I sort of did some of the same things. Before contributing to any discussions/photo galleries I tried to familiarize myself with the lay of the land. I found this not only to be helpful for helping me decide how to comment and who to comment to. 

Take an antrhopological approach and become an insider by 1st observing from the outside.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent guidelines Sir Thanel. Many good points expounded on by yourself. I compared my experience with what you described and thougt that I sort of did some of the same things. Before contributing to any discussions/photo galleries I tried to familiarize myself with the lay of the land. I found this not only to be helpful for helping me decide how to comment and who to comment to. </p>
<p>Take an antrhopological approach and become an insider by 1st observing from the outside.</p>
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		<title>By: Thanel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thanel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. X &amp; buriedbybricks: Thanks. 

buriedbybricks: The sorting is at the point where I&#039;ve actually been able to build. I have a few WIPs posted. Need to get a couple more containers, drawers and boxes, then fine-tune. I&#039;ll actually do a story on that later as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. X &amp; buriedbybricks: Thanks. </p>
<p>buriedbybricks: The sorting is at the point where I&#8217;ve actually been able to build. I have a few WIPs posted. Need to get a couple more containers, drawers and boxes, then fine-tune. I&#8217;ll actually do a story on that later as well.</p>
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		<title>By: buriedbybricks</title>
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		<dc:creator>buriedbybricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed, great tips for old and newb.
How&#039;s the sorting going btw? Any new pics?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, great tips for old and newb.<br />
How&#8217;s the sorting going btw? Any new pics?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, Thanel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Thanel.</p>
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