Well don’t read just the CRS-7, but read the whole thing.

The also read these articles:
http://newstatesman.com/writers/leeshai_lemish

The article is very clear and then in the comments you will see how confusion is tried to be implanted.

But the bottom line is this: innocent people die, and persecuted today, just because they want to practice something that it’s not atheist.

http://organharvestinvestigation.net/media/WesternStandard_040907.htm

Falun Gong’s “organ harvesting” allegation has been discredited already:

- Most recently by the Ottawa Citizen. The Sujiatun Hospital has no incinerator:

link to http://www.canada.com

- Here are US government and Chinese dissident investigations disproving it:

1) link to usinfo.state.gov
http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RL33437.pdf (section CRS-7)

2) http://www.cicus.org/info_eng/artshow.asp?ID=6491
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060806_1.htm

Clearly, China has made steps to becoming more open. These are inevitabilities in a certain sense. But I think it is important to strike a clear differentiation between the Chinese Communist Party and China. They’re not the same thing. I would commend you to a work by John Lee called “Will China Fail?” — among other things, this book is the best I know which illustrates so well how the CCP is the so determinant in all the talk of China’s democratisation or inevitable political reform. The group of gangsters running China right now, have done and continue to do monumentally bad things to a huge number of people, and have repeatedly demonstrated that they will keep their power at any cost. They have opened up, yes, but only in the sense that it strengthens their position. When it comes to anything that they perceive will weaken their grip on power, they jump on it violently. Falun Gong is such an example, and organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners an outcome.

I think Rocko would be aware enough of this issue to be qualified to construct a LEGO vignette depicting it. There’s a wealth of highly sourced information across the wikipedia articles just on this topic, and of the CCP’s human rights crimes. People can find out anything on the net these days in a couple of hours.

I think the vignette obviously brings attention to this issue, and does nothing to demean LEGO as a hobby.

I also regret my use of swearing in a previous post.

I suppose you really are as exceptionally ignorant of both the specifics of this issue and of China in general as I guessed you were from the poorly worded, inaccurate statements you’ve previously made and this lazy response.

If you want the short version, here it is: Organ harvesting of Falun Gong members hasn’t been proven to have occurred with any direct evidence, China has made major steps in being more open but still clearly has much ground to cover, and your MOC is crass exploitation that does nothing to bring attention to the issue but instead demeans our hobby.

Try doing some research before you try to enter a conversation about a controversial subject, otherwise you’ll come off as poorly as you have here.

As for politics, as that profession means spending most your time pontificating about subjects you know nothing about and speaking with moral authority when you have none, I’ll leave that to people such as yourself. You’ve already shown quite a knack for it here.

*they don’t execute enough for those big transplant numbers
*there’s no death row in China at all; i.e., when someone is sentenced to death he’s executed within a week. To do the kind of operation they have been, with on-demand organs, they need a living bank of donors. Executed prisoners can’t fulfil this.

It’s also bullshit that the information comes from Falun Gong. The information comes from independent investigators, David Kilgour and David Matas. Kilgour was a crown prosecutor and MP in Canada, Matas is one of Canada’s best lawyers. These are precisely the independent parties. Their report has also been confirmed by two others. Their report should be taken very seriously.

I think what people don’t really get is how this could happen. They’re judging this with a normal mindset, and the incredulity of the horror of the situation means “it can’t be true!” Then come the ridiculous ways of trying to talk around in circles and provide nonsensical explanations. It can happen in China basically because of how the Chinese Communist Party has so thoroughly distorted peoples’ thinking. Chinese people are fine with the idea of taking organs from unconsenting prisoners who are executed. They think that that guy committed a crime, so it would be a waste not to use the organ. Sentiments along these lines have been expressed publicly by officials. So they come up with ways of doing this effectively, like shooting them in the neck in the wrong place so they won’t die, but will be kept alive while they take the organ. Why not, right? If you’re going to kill the guy and take his organs, better make sure it’s in the best condition. This is the thinking. It’s really not a big step from there to taking organs from the Falun Gong. They’re already thoroughly maligned, beaten, tortured, mistreated in custody etc., so why not just use them for their organs? They’re right there in prison, in the hundreds of thousands, or millions, for the taking. Many didn’t give their names, no one knows they’re there. Why not use them for their organs? If you try to use a normal way of thinking to understand why these people could do this, I’d say you’ll never get it. Many people’s thinking in China is totally fucked by now, people have been taught to hate Falun Gong, it’s the fault of the communist regime, and these are the consequences. When it’s commonly accepted among people that tens of thousands of Falun Gong practitioners were killed like this, those who are now trying to rubbish the claims, play them down, pretend they can go away, will be too ashamed to show their faces.

Finally, just an update, recently Kilgour and Matas said they got admission from doctors. Those phone calls are verified, or at least one of them is fully verified. This isn’t in the wikipedia article, though someone should add it. It only came out recently, see here: http://organharvestinvestigation.net/release/pr-2008-08-22.htm

I’ve been an observer of this whole thing for a while and these are my observations.